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Brian Balke

The stumbling block in developing the semantic web is that the meta-tags (labels put on text so that computers can decide whether something can be used as an “address” for example) have been developed in isolation from real problem solving.

Wikipedia is an example of the opposing process: it was designed to solve a real problem, which is to support collaborative development of reference material. Along the way, they dealt with navigation and cross-referencing problems.

I think that we’ll see more success in developing the semantic web when we get better meta-data dictionaries, and that is going to be linked to standards in business systems.

For example, what if the Postal Service allowed you to enter an address online, and then issued a tracking number that you put on your envelope? They could solve the problem of normalizing the addresses (‘St’ vs ‘Street’, for example). Then, when you wanted to find a mailing address, you could go online and search their database. When you wanted to insert and address, you would cut and paste the reference from their screen, so that it had the right postal service meta-tags on it.

You see what I’m getting at? The semantic web will come into being when we have institutions established with a remit to develop universal public information services.

Thanks for the feedback. That’s an interesting insight on the solution of the semantic web looking for a problem. And I agree: There are organizations with the authority and opportunity to stake a claim on the semantic web. For me, one of the most interesting things about the Wikipedia success story is that Wikipedia has become an authoritative source for these universal subjects and quite incidentally stepped into that role within the semantic web.

I’m not sure I’d agree that Wikipedia is the first mainstream semantic web, though it certainly is the first mainstream semantic web that shows off it’s semantic webbiness.

Imagine a company that harvests the implicit semantic content of human-created hyperlinks between pages. The content of these links are analyzed for common terms, and those same terms are used to identify the target pages. The “semantics” of this semantic web are stored and computed in the brains of the authors of these billions of web pages. So, you have a web3.0 network built on a giant wetware network a la web2.0 crowdsourcing.

That’s Google. Yahoo was doing something similar with the surfer-categorized directories, but had to change to the link-harvesting method eventually because it’s so much more scalable.

Using a “semantic web” to build a better search engine is a fools errand. Google and Yahoo are already using semantics in their networks. It would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to build better semantic analyzing mechanisms than a billion or so human brains in a distributed network.

Isaac, I’d be interested in hearing about other examples of early mainstream semantic webs. I’m defining “semantic web” very loosely here to focus on the attributes of abstraction in the form and subject matter of the content, in at least a standardized machine-readable presentation. By “mainstream” I mean a service that’s crossed over to mass market adoption.

I agree entirely with your characterization of Google. Most of the discussion around Google and semantics seems focused on whether they qualify as a semantic search engine. They’re among the most prodigious creators of semantic data; it seems they’ve earned the title. But it’s all in how you frame it.

I agree with you, Mr.Sweeney.

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